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Old 6th January 2016, 10:33 AM
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Default Third generation A3 (8V) e-tron

Has anyone looked at these at all?

Further deliberations on replacing our #2 car (antique Focus) suggests the A3 e-tron "might" be a contender.
Any thoughts or information welcome.
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Old 6th January 2016, 11:08 AM
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I looked fairly closely at these, but ended up studying in more depth the virtually identical, cheaper (and better looking) Golf GTE.

I was looking from a company car purchase perspective, where there are various initiatives to make it seem a good idea.

As a personal purchase, I would concern that the technology should move on fairly quickly in this area, which could lead to very questionable residuals.

I was also put off by the (fairly standard across manufacturers admittedly) warranty on the batteries that shows no interest until the batteries are down to at least 70% effective.

I've been in both the E tron Hybrid and an E-Golf (pure battery). The battery modes are eerily quiet, but don't worry, because the battery will last only a very short while, so then you can switch to fossil fuel and pay extra mpg to lug around the batteries and motors all day long whilst enjoying the compromised handling due to extra weight......

At the end of the day, how ever I sliced it - A golf R was working out cheaper to buy than a Golf E, and there was no getting past that......

Watch the government grant also - only applied if you're the first keeper, so ex demos are instantly worth 5 grand less.

The tech is cool. If a Tesla cost half as much, I'd likely have one. But the VW group (or anyone else for that matter) just doesn't seem to have anything decent to offer.

Let us know you're own conclusions though.....
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The First 20 Audis:

2001 D2 4.2 QS Silver, 1997 D2 S8 Silver, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2002 D2 S8 Dolphin Grey,
2003 C5 RS6 Blue, 1998 D2 S8 Black, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue, 2003 D3 4.2 Ming Blue,
2005 B7 S4 Blue, 2006 D3 3.0 Tdi Black, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2003 D3 4.2 LPG Crystal Blue,
2000 D2 S8 Silver, 2007 3.0 Tdi Q7 Black, 2009 B8 S4 Black, 1998 D2 S8 Agate Grey,
2006 D3 4.2 Tdi Blue, 2006 D3 S8, 2007 Q7 3.0 Tdi, 2006 C6 S6,

The Second 20 Audis:

2011 A7 Sline, 2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2002 A2 1.4 Tdi Silver, 2006 A8 4.2 Tdi Blue,
2007 4.2 Tdi Q7, 2006 S4 Cab Silver, 2010 RS6 Saloon Black , 2007 TT Roadster,
2010 A8 D4 4.2 Silver, 2006 C6 A6 2.7 Tdi Quattro, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue (again), 2008 Q7 4.2 Black,
2009 C6 RS6 Saloon Daytona Grey, 2001 Fully Loaded A2 Tdi, 2006 Avant S6 Black, 2007 VW Caravelle Exec Black (almost an Audi)
2009 TT Roadster Daytona, 2015 Q7 4.2 tdi lava grey, 2002 GmbH D2 demonstrator, 2006 D3 A8 LWB 4.2 Tdi Black

Most Recent Audis:

2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2007 4.2 FSi Q7 ABT Blue, 2016 S5 Coupe Launch model, 2004 S4 B6 Cabriolet, 2016 Q7 Sline White, 2006 Q7 4.2 FSi Black
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Old 6th January 2016, 11:30 PM
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I looked fairly closely at these, but ended up studying in more depth the virtually identical, cheaper (and better looking) Golf GTE.

I was looking from a company car purchase perspective, where there are various initiatives to make it seem a good idea.

As a personal purchase, I would concern that the technology should move on fairly quickly in this area, which could lead to very questionable residuals.

I was also put off by the (fairly standard across manufacturers admittedly) warranty on the batteries that shows no interest until the batteries are down to at least 70% effective.

I've been in both the E tron Hybrid and an E-Golf (pure battery). The battery modes are eerily quiet, but don't worry, because the battery will last only a very short while, so then you can switch to fossil fuel and pay extra mpg to lug around the batteries and motors all day long whilst enjoying the compromised handling due to extra weight......

At the end of the day, how ever I sliced it - A golf R was working out cheaper to buy than a Golf E, and there was no getting past that......

Watch the government grant also - only applied if you're the first keeper, so ex demos are instantly worth 5 grand less.

The tech is cool. If a Tesla cost half as much, I'd likely have one. But the VW group (or anyone else for that matter) just doesn't seem to have anything decent to offer.

Let us know you're own conclusions though.....
^Have to agree with what seems to be a very balanced and well informed response.

I want a Tesla. I do see it as a step forward in technology. While we ICE car owners have little individual power stations under our bonnets, the electric vehicle draws its power from a power station, ideally a super efficient one.

The Tesla Model S, the power, the speed they (super)charge and the range they can achieve is staggering. But, I don't want it so much to spend the going rate for one. But then I could say the same about the D3. When new 7/8 years mine was ~£52k standard and I liked it then but wouldn't have spent that on one.

My problem with the other electric cars available from VAG, Nissan and BMW is the compromises. While the Leaf seems to have a decent range at least, it still entails driving around in a Leaf. Yuck. The VAG Hybrid things have issues, listed above and the i3 from BMW will likely only do 70 miles, realistically, on a full charge. Currently I'd frequently be getting home on a prayer, gritting my teeth and paying a premium for the privilege.

Until there's a sort of Tesla style electric car, that's more affordable I'm just going to stick with DERV. Which I think is a shame.

For me the only electric car there is, is a Tesla Model S. The rest just seem to have made one compromise too many.
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Old 7th January 2016, 10:37 AM
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the i3 from BMW will likely only do 70 miles
Guy I know got one of those reckoning the range was more than adequate to commute into London (West End) and back.
But it wasn't, and all the charging points are monopolised by delivery vans and couriers so he couldn't top up during the day.

Persuaded BMW to take it back and replace it with the version that has a small "top-up" petrol engine as well, just adds a few more miles range in an emergency.
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2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!)
Finally: gone, but not forgotten.....
1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors.
e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)
1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer.
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Old 7th January 2016, 11:08 AM
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I think pure electric drive makes so much sense - Its mechanically so much simpler and easier to deliver, and almost maintenance free, and as batteries get better, the car holds residuals as swap the batteries for new tech and all is well for a few more years.

But at present, it does need 'range extender' capabilities in the form of an onboard / removable fossil fuel generator to eliminate the range anxiety that many folk suffer from.

Most cars are full electric, or full hybrid. I'm not sure why the manufacturers are't embracing the range extender half way house with a bit more gusto...
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The 17 year old Learner Driver Wagon 2015 Skoda Citigo Monte Carlo. Alloys, Power steering, Aircon, Leccy windows, Sat Nav, bluetooth, central locking, cup holders, 59 whole bhp. Million times better than my first car. Well jealous.....

Daily 2019 Tesla Model 3, Midnight Silver Metallic, Full Performance with AWD and Long Range

Standard Kit (In Audi Speak): Quattro, PDC with Reversing camera, (Completely) Keyless entry/start, Electric memory seats Steering wheel and Mirrors with easy entry, Adaptive Cruise Control, Traffic Jam Assist, D3 Bose Equivalent Audio (imo), Fixed Panoramic sunroof, Auto dim heated memory folding dipping mirrors, Hi beam assist, LED headlights, 20" Alloys, Coming home lights, Auxiliary heating (and cooling), remote boot release (front and back), DAB radio, side assist, lane assist, heated seats x 5, dual zone climate control, tyre pressure monitoring, red brake callipers

Buy yours here and get us both 1000 free supercharger miles: Tesla.com

Octopus Energy. Use the Agile tariff for seriously cheap overnight EV charging, or other things.... At times, the cost goes negative - and you get paid to fill up ! Sign up with this link and we get £50 each


The First 20 Audis:

2001 D2 4.2 QS Silver, 1997 D2 S8 Silver, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2002 D2 S8 Dolphin Grey,
2003 C5 RS6 Blue, 1998 D2 S8 Black, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue, 2003 D3 4.2 Ming Blue,
2005 B7 S4 Blue, 2006 D3 3.0 Tdi Black, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2003 D3 4.2 LPG Crystal Blue,
2000 D2 S8 Silver, 2007 3.0 Tdi Q7 Black, 2009 B8 S4 Black, 1998 D2 S8 Agate Grey,
2006 D3 4.2 Tdi Blue, 2006 D3 S8, 2007 Q7 3.0 Tdi, 2006 C6 S6,

The Second 20 Audis:

2011 A7 Sline, 2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2002 A2 1.4 Tdi Silver, 2006 A8 4.2 Tdi Blue,
2007 4.2 Tdi Q7, 2006 S4 Cab Silver, 2010 RS6 Saloon Black , 2007 TT Roadster,
2010 A8 D4 4.2 Silver, 2006 C6 A6 2.7 Tdi Quattro, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue (again), 2008 Q7 4.2 Black,
2009 C6 RS6 Saloon Daytona Grey, 2001 Fully Loaded A2 Tdi, 2006 Avant S6 Black, 2007 VW Caravelle Exec Black (almost an Audi)
2009 TT Roadster Daytona, 2015 Q7 4.2 tdi lava grey, 2002 GmbH D2 demonstrator, 2006 D3 A8 LWB 4.2 Tdi Black

Most Recent Audis:

2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2007 4.2 FSi Q7 ABT Blue, 2016 S5 Coupe Launch model, 2004 S4 B6 Cabriolet, 2016 Q7 Sline White, 2006 Q7 4.2 FSi Black
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Old 7th January 2016, 11:14 AM
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The "range extender" ought to be a very cheap and light add-on, after all it doesn't need much more technology than goes into a portable petrol leaf-blower backpack and they are cheap enough.
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2016 Volvo V40 T5 Cross Country (4WD) with ALL the toys including adaptive cruise etc. etc. Osmium Grey with Blonde/Charcoal leather interior. Polestar performance "optimisation". (A much rarer model than a D2 S8 by the way!)
Finally: gone, but not forgotten.....
1998 D2 PF S8. AgateGrey/Platinum. Every option (I think) except electric rear seats, tiptronic steering wheel, ski hatch, towbar & dimming door mirrors.
e.g. Cruise control, NavPlus/TV, Bose, GSM, Xenons, Solar roof, Parking sensors, Alcantara/leather everywhere of course. (internal dimming mirror added later)
1998 (very early) Ford Focus 1.8 Zetec; ABS/TCS, Heated screen/mirrors, Aircon, Auto-dim mirror, Leather, Trip computer, Cruise control, OEM Ford SatNav with CD changer.
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The "range extender" ought to be a very cheap and light add-on, after all it doesn't need much more technology than goes into a portable petrol leaf-blower backpack and they are cheap enough.
My thoughts exactly.....
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The 17 year old Learner Driver Wagon 2015 Skoda Citigo Monte Carlo. Alloys, Power steering, Aircon, Leccy windows, Sat Nav, bluetooth, central locking, cup holders, 59 whole bhp. Million times better than my first car. Well jealous.....

Daily 2019 Tesla Model 3, Midnight Silver Metallic, Full Performance with AWD and Long Range

Standard Kit (In Audi Speak): Quattro, PDC with Reversing camera, (Completely) Keyless entry/start, Electric memory seats Steering wheel and Mirrors with easy entry, Adaptive Cruise Control, Traffic Jam Assist, D3 Bose Equivalent Audio (imo), Fixed Panoramic sunroof, Auto dim heated memory folding dipping mirrors, Hi beam assist, LED headlights, 20" Alloys, Coming home lights, Auxiliary heating (and cooling), remote boot release (front and back), DAB radio, side assist, lane assist, heated seats x 5, dual zone climate control, tyre pressure monitoring, red brake callipers

Buy yours here and get us both 1000 free supercharger miles: Tesla.com

Octopus Energy. Use the Agile tariff for seriously cheap overnight EV charging, or other things.... At times, the cost goes negative - and you get paid to fill up ! Sign up with this link and we get £50 each


The First 20 Audis:

2001 D2 4.2 QS Silver, 1997 D2 S8 Silver, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2002 D2 S8 Dolphin Grey,
2003 C5 RS6 Blue, 1998 D2 S8 Black, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue, 2003 D3 4.2 Ming Blue,
2005 B7 S4 Blue, 2006 D3 3.0 Tdi Black, 1999 D2 4.2 Silver, 2003 D3 4.2 LPG Crystal Blue,
2000 D2 S8 Silver, 2007 3.0 Tdi Q7 Black, 2009 B8 S4 Black, 1998 D2 S8 Agate Grey,
2006 D3 4.2 Tdi Blue, 2006 D3 S8, 2007 Q7 3.0 Tdi, 2006 C6 S6,

The Second 20 Audis:

2011 A7 Sline, 2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2002 A2 1.4 Tdi Silver, 2006 A8 4.2 Tdi Blue,
2007 4.2 Tdi Q7, 2006 S4 Cab Silver, 2010 RS6 Saloon Black , 2007 TT Roadster,
2010 A8 D4 4.2 Silver, 2006 C6 A6 2.7 Tdi Quattro, 2000 D2 4.2 QS/S8 Ming Blue (again), 2008 Q7 4.2 Black,
2009 C6 RS6 Saloon Daytona Grey, 2001 Fully Loaded A2 Tdi, 2006 Avant S6 Black, 2007 VW Caravelle Exec Black (almost an Audi)
2009 TT Roadster Daytona, 2015 Q7 4.2 tdi lava grey, 2002 GmbH D2 demonstrator, 2006 D3 A8 LWB 4.2 Tdi Black

Most Recent Audis:

2001 A2 1.4 Tdi Black, 2007 4.2 FSi Q7 ABT Blue, 2016 S5 Coupe Launch model, 2004 S4 B6 Cabriolet, 2016 Q7 Sline White, 2006 Q7 4.2 FSi Black
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My thoughts exactly.....
I think they already exist........

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One chap on the forum which I am super moderator has just got a Tesla Model S, he has driven it from Essex to Devon and back and more. Read his thread linked below (From Page 28)

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic...thread/page-28

He also has Some Nissan Leafs which his business owns.
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One chap on the forum which I am super moderator has just got a Tesla Model S, he has driven it from Essex to Devon and back and more. Read his thread linked below (From Page 28)

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic...thread/page-28

He also has Some Nissan Leafs which his business owns.
Good thread - fairly well informed, and fact-based.

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The tech is cool. If a Tesla cost half as much, I'd likely have one. But the VW group (or anyone else for that matter) just doesn't seem to have anything decent to offer.
There's always this in that price range:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/6/107...drive-ces-2016

Oh wait, it's a Chevy…
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